It looks like #Google has really stepped up their enterprise offerings and have even promised to never use workspace related data for ad purposes. They've even gotten an audit or 2.
For the cost of $15 I can vastly improve the quality of my cloud service.
As a tired new parent, I'm already pretty weak these days. Google's making me weaker. My self-hosted Nextcloud is lacking. I can get it all for less than the cost of my ProtonMail pro sub.
Would you consider using Workspaces?
Follow up poll:
If you won't use Workspaces, how much cost in computing power per month is enough to deploy a performant Nextcloud/Owncloud instance? I've tried the bottom end ($10) and self hosted on a RPi 4.
Nextcloud has no documentation to help decide on how much resources are required to have a good experience. They elude to minimums, and I've tried them and more.
If you have the time and the experience, a vps with enough resources is only 4-5 euro/month if you install the various bits yourself vs relying on nextcloud's package approach.
@gemlog I talked with my wife about it and honestly, I don't even think I need the bulk of NextCloud.
@trevdev Whichever bits you need. For example do you need an office suite with collaboration or just a couple of applications like onlyoffice, jiffareau, etherpad, ethercalc w/e you need.
Oh, and since nextcloud does not include smtp/imap, you should install postfix too.
It's not trivial to securely set up a linux server in general, but you may already know how. Same for postfix, but most other things install easily once you have a database and nginx running smoothly. I'm under pressure to get ready to leave town, but I'd love to explore this further with you for sport.
Maybe, it might be worth paying for a few months while you learn - if that's needed. Plus you'd know which 'apps' you like and use too.
@gemlog was more fishing for your preferred software. I have plenty of experience but unfortunately far less steam and free time
@trevdev I have installed etherpad/calc in the past, but, in general, I don't have a need for collaborative editing ever. Not sure what your needs are in the office suite realm.
@gemlog yeah I don't think I need most of what I've got. I need cal/carddav and some sort of project management tool mostly
@gemlog I had use for and needed a Jitsi video server but even at $20 per month the thing was unreliable. Video is hard :)
@trevdev They probably oversold it, but you can selfhost that too https://jitsi.org/downloads/
I will try it when I get back to terrace. I'm still in dawson creek.
I prepared a usb key with my private key on it, bashrc etc and then... cleverly forgot it in my other pants and left town. I can't access my servers...
@trevdev Yeah, well, we went over to the truck intended for test and tune day and... our friend did something "interesting" to the carburettor. I don't think fuel is supposed to shoot straight up out of the bowl? Obviously, we'll be leaving later than planned tomorrow.
@trevdev I always look like i'm advertising for contabo, but if I could find a better deal, I'd drop them. I've been there for like a decade. Hmm, looks like they've reduced the b/w for new accounts - and I just got a new second vps. I have one in nuremberg and one in munich, so they can back each other up. I only have my own toy websites these days, but still.
@trevdev This doesn't look too bad, but I'd have to muck about a bit with the destructions, b/c I have so many virtual hosts on the same ip with nginx, webdav (for joplin) and so on. https://jitsi.github.io/handbook/docs/devops-guide/devops-guide-quickstart
It would take some messing with, but how many simultaneous users will you have? It might be easier to put it on its own vps. Even so , now your spending like 10 euro a month and everything is yours, secure and flexible.
@trevdev there are lots of kanban style things around or something more like PERT or Gantt or something?
I've been using the text based 'remind' program for calendering. So flexible. Handles weird corner cases and I have it put up kdialogs, email me etc. on cron jobs. I have different text files for various kinds eg. a text file for anon/tilde radio is on a cron https://gemlog.ca/anon-tilde_sched.html
The syntax took a bit to get onto though.
@trevdev You prolly know framasoft has a nice list too https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/alternatives/
@trevdev Is your isp not telus? You could always painlessly selfhost an instance of something or other like etherpad, if you needed collaboration suddenly.
@gemlog Shaw. Telus hasn't gotten their fiber out where I'm at yet.
I was self-hosting that Nextcloud on my PI, I still have a dynamic dns set up, so I could definitely do that.
I just don't think my router is all that good for self hosting, and the PI is still a cheap computer no matter how big the numbers look in terms of CPU and RAM
@trevdev It would be adequate for something like nginx and etherpad and a few collaboraters, np.
Re telus: you know the kinds of connections NEW, RELATED, ESTABLISHED? They block all NEW inbound connections on all ports unless you pay them business rates. Which... no. They do this on fibre (i've had it) and also ADSL.
@gemlog Are you telling me Telus restricts the freedom of their residential customers unless they can assume it's just personal use they're seeing?
@trevdev I'm telling you exactly what I just said. You can't make any inbound new connections on any port unless you pay them commercial rates. Only outbound connections.
@gemlog I'm sure you already know I believe that's absolute garbage. I've had no issues with Shaw and self-hosting aside from their obviously slow upstream channels.
@trevdev I know. I had no issues with cable or citywest either. It's just telus. And it rings true with me from long experience since it changed to being run by bean-counters after BCTel. I didn't rent a box for 240/mo down in austin for nothing - it was 5 times cheaper to do that than buy bandwidth from telus - and their CO was across the street from me!
@trevdev I pounded my head against the wall trying to figure out how I could have dicked up a simple ssh server on my home pc for hours and hours. I tried all kinds of Stupid things, before finding out they were just DROP ing all my attemps. Fuck them REJECT would have been at least polite.
I get around the bastards though, of course ;-)
I email thunderbird with a special subject. It launches a script that opens a revers ssh tunnel to a vps. then I log into the vps and then back into my home box ;-)
@trevdev I had to do the same with my elderly (yeah, even older than me!) friend in Hazelton. I made him an icon and he emails me that he has clicked on 'the life-saver'. Then I can ssh into his box and fix w/e for him.
@trevdev It doesn't matter, they don't check. If you want any inbound connections, then you have to pay the dane-geld. Point final.
@trevdev Sounds like you're all set really. Any of us on here would be happy to test - and we're 24 TZ wide :-)
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