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New versions of clients for and released. Biggest changes are introduction of XMPP (modern way of groupchats), significant improvements in audio/video calls and message editing/deleting.

Check out tigase.net/beagleim-4.0-and-si for details.

@tigase @ij congrats on the release. Omemo encrypted MUC is still sorely missing. MIX is interesting but young. Not only does it need to mature but clients and servers need to adopt it too.
I'm still hopeful that Siskin will develop into a great iOS client. The progress in the past months is impressive, fingers crossed!

@nezhac @ij Thank you for the kind words. OMEMO for groupchat is on the to-do but without any eta.

MIX is not that young, and we decided to push it to mature it and help with it's adoption as we see it as improvement over MUC to group chats.

@tigase @nezhac @ij well, as it turns out #OMEMO already works for reading messages and files in MUC, for me the most important improvement, good work! 👍

would be cool to be able to manage bookmarks too
#xmpp

@tigase @Muto @nezhac Well, I think in a way like that:
I lately tried to join a private MUC by accident. Although I removed it from the sidebar in Beagle, it tried to rejoin that MUC on every restart of Beagle.
I needed to log in to ConverseJS, part from that MUC and remove it from the Bookmarks.

It would be nice to be able to do this from BeagleIM directly, of course ;)

@Muto @tigase @nezhac yeah, to be honest I also had that issue with Dino, IIRC... it seems to be a general, broader issue to me...

@ij hm never had that with Dino or don't remember

@Muto @ij @nezhac would you (both) say that instead of having "bookmark management" it would be better to have reliable mapping of joined rooms to bookmarks so removing certain chat would remove it from bookmarks? (I sense that this is the main issue here)

@tigase @Muto @nezhac Hmmm, I think I like the idea of having bookmarks. In your browser you have bookmarks as well and not every site your want to eventually visit open all the time.

Of course, when there is no bookmarks management, then it would be better to remove a bookmark when leaving a MUC, but I guess that could interefere with other clients and would also cause complaints.

You could ask on MUC leave whether or not the MUC should be removed from bookmarks, maybe...

@ij @Muto @nezhac chat app is not a browser 😉

with Beagle and Siskin we strive to have more streamlined "chat experience" (trying to match user expectation) - when you sign in to your account (independent of the app) you should have same set of chats, history - be that for 1-1 or group chats. And having permanent auto-join bookmark based MUC makes sense here. And because of that we also push MIX as it helps with user experience here.

@tigase @ij @nezhac I think it depends on what people are used to, I am used to have bookmark management

I think in a mobile app your approach would be ok for me too, probably would miss the ability to hide / disable a group temporarily

though I don't have a Mac, I prefer bookmarks on desktop

@Muto @tigase @nezhac but then again when leaving a MUC on mobile results in deleting the MUC, it's gone on your desktop as well... don't think this what you want either..

Difficult.

@Muto @ij @nezhac I think this boils down to expectation. It seems that majority of regular users just want to have same chat state independent of app used so bookmarks and manual joins doesn't fit well here.

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