@MMRnmd It's definitely a bad term, but - in case at some point we want to seriously talk about this, instead of forever sticking to mutual self-appreciation shallow meme posting - the underlying phenomenon is very real.

With some occupations, a person with no prior experience can skill up in days, enter the profession, and learn on the job to reach average performance in under a year. With others, you need years of high-intensity prep before anyone pays you for it.

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@MMRnmd It's not about classifying (or judging) workers, or rating which jobs are more or less "worthy". It's only about how much prior investment it takes to be able to do a given job.

This is a coarse way to group jobs into two equivalence classes, that have an important relationship: a worker can easily switch between "unskilled" jobs, they can easily go from a "skilled" job to an "unskilled" one, but they *can't* easily go from "unskilled" to "skilled", or switch between "skilled" jobs.

@MMRnmd Or, in more concrete terms: if your area suddenly stops needing fruit pickers, but starts needing an equivalent amount of floor swiping labor, some people might grumble a bit, but it's mostly a non-event.

If your area stops needing fruit pickers, but demands an equivalent amount of embedded systems engineering labor, then a *lot* of people are going to have their lives seriously fucked up, possibly permanently.

Same if it switched from embedded dev to molecular biochemistry tech.

@temporal But in that regard, you totally disregard the fact that this jobs demanding "prior investment to be able to do them" will always be reserved for those materially able to pay such an investment ; both in time (you have to be able to study at least / yrs i.e. not having to work to support your parents or family) and in cash (not everyone is eligible for a loan or have rich parents to support them the time of the studies).

The outrage being, beside the inequity of education chances, that "skilled jobs" are paid up to 20,30, 50 times more than so called "unskilled jobs".

If the scale was set to a maximum of 3 to 5, 10 at the most, this "semantic" battle wouldn't have to be, cause no one would be pissed of by so much un-justice, unfair treatment.

But from the pragmatic side, what you say about switching from a graduated an an un-graduated job makes sens...but that doesn't make it right?

Nice conversation anyway, if it wasn't for the unnecessary provocation of this...peson I blocked.

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