Problems we are having with #Signal:
* It is and will remain centralized (clear strategy of *not* federating servers)
* It requires strong identifiers/selectors (phone#) to use
* Author disallows distribution by anyone but Google, although free/libre
* It keeps pushing away verification of fingerprint in interface
* It relies on Google+Amazon infrastructure
* Its funding is shady (OTF = Radio Free Asia = USG)

= clearly unethical choices, unjustifiable by accessibility or technological reasons.

@jz

The Better options all require advanced skills to use. Non-technical users deserve privacy too.

* Non-federation means users not giving up at server selector dialog and no one-off hostile servers.

* Phone numbers are mediocre IDs but hard for users to screw up.

* Google prevents third parties (e.g. abusive ex, corrupt local sherrif) from tampering with the apk.

* Funding is funding; the USG funds lots of stuff, some of it good.

Signal is imperfect but the perfect is the enemy of the good.

@suetanvil

Usability is important, yet not *crucial*. It is often in the hands of people with large resources. Most of the it time amounts to having software making choices instead of you.

Balancing techno-ethics and software freedom by "usability" is i think a fake dichotomy.

Like balancing freedom and security to justify anti-terror measures restricting freedoms and agency. One cannot pretend to trade one for the other.

(Jefferson mode: ON - "He who sacrifices freedom for usability...."?)

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@jz

Given that the majority of security problems are due to user error, I would think it is obvious that UI is a significant aspect of software security. Describing usability and security as a trade-off is an astounding false dichotomy.

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