from this "cryptoquacks" occurs to me, in case we need that term

I propose web1 - because back then things were actually quite decentralised ;.-)


@rysiek I've just asked at Midline forum, what EXACTLY is web3, what is the web et al. I heard a lot about web3, but never seen this. Excepting NFTs, but this is the only web3 project I know. Maybe you will be first explaining this to me.

@anedroid this is the best definition of web3 I have seen, and likely the best you'll ever see:

From my perspective, web3 is a buzzword that is intentionally nebulous and without clear definition, which means people who see it/hear it imbue it with their own hopes and dreams. This makes it easier to scam people out of their money. 🤷‍♀️

@rysiek Here's my list of projects and technologies which aims to decentralize the Internet in various ways (ordered by my memory):

Gitea (they're working on federation)
Email (decentralization is not its major goal, but is in fact decentralized)
most of the popular Free Software network services: Nextcloud/Owncloud, Etherpad/Cryptpad, Jitsi, BigBlueButton, Matrix, Jabber/XMPP, Searx, UnifiedPush, etc.

Web3 advocates claim they're gonna decentralize the Web. Can we clearly distinguish projects would classify as web3 taking some conditions? Is that new digital solutions in search of problems? Or everything based on blockchain or cryptocurrencies? Or compilcated protocols only elite would understand?

@rysiek Yesterday I learned about relatively new (2018) project which could replace TOR - Lokinet. It's faster, can handle all the network traffic, not only TCP and is much more Sibil attack resistant, because each service node (guard and exit nodes) have to stake 1500 $OXEN in order to activate. Oxen is a new cryptocurrency (blockchain, proof-of-stake) for that specific purpose and for optional registering human-readable .loki domains for specified period of time (otherwise your public key will be your domain, which is fine). Typical Lokinet user can never deal with blockchain. SNApps, which are Lokinet's equivalent of onion sites, works in traditional client-server model. So is lokinet web3, because it use blockchain and a cryptocurrency, and we should avoid it?

@rysiek Another example - IPFS. It does not use blockchain, but for me personally it looks more like web3 than Lokinet, but it's hard for me to explain, why I feel so. But, F-Droid is gonna implement IPFS mirrors in their client. We could also think of IPFS as of better Bittorrent.

@rysiek @anedroid I agree, "web3" is such an obscure term, that we would better not use it at all. It brings no clarity, doesn't explain anything - only pure obscurity.

Maybe we should invent a new term, that would be better defined and therefore it would be less abusable. Or maybe we can just call things outright - use "decentralization", " blockchain", "peer-to-peer" etc. instead of umbrella terms like web3.

Honestly I hadn't heard about web1 or web2 before I heard about web3 and I was good without them.

Well, web1 never was a term back then, because why would it if it is the only thing around?

But following that, web 2.0 was just the same hype as web 3 is today. I still remember all the fuzz about "user generated content, blogs, podcasts, flickr youtube" und more in about 2004 when actually before that time users really had to create their own content if they wanted to be on the web.

And I think we're still good without the hype in 2022.

@deBroglie @rysiek @anedroid
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