Child sexual abuse is a real and growing danger.

📈 More than 2 million children are being affected every year.

This week, we have proposed new rules to prevent and combat child sexual abuse online⬇️

#EUvsChildSexualAbuse

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@EU_Commission these proposals will put journalists, abuse victims, and whistleblowers in danger. It is unacceptable and shameful to hide behind abused children to push such draconian laws.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of

@rysiek

They have really proposed it in a way that opponent of this bill will looks like they support child-abuse.

Good wiki article, I am saving it

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@selea @EU_Commission yes, it is just obnoxious manipulation. And the outcome of the law will be useless, at best.

@rysiek

People will just move to other communication mediums that is impossible to "crack" down on

@EU_Commission

@selea @EU_Commission it's worse.

These "AI-based" solutions like Apple's NeuralHash thingamajig are notoriously easy to trick to flag an innocent image as "known child abuse material":
forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2

Scenario: somebody sends innocent-looking photos to politicians they don't like. The AI flags them, the police raids them, and it is quickly public they "allegedly" had child abuse material on their devices.

Only they didn't.

But explain that to the public now.

@selea @EU_Commission another scenario:

Some law enforcement agency happens to not like a particular person. Say, a whistleblower. They have nothing on them, so they can't get a warrant, but they really really want to.

They send the person such innocent-looking false positive. Bam, Apple sends a report to LEA "child abuse material on that phone", LEA gets a warrant, whistleblower compromised.

@selea @EU_Commission my point is: it's not about what the most privacy-conscious of us will start doing to evade this.

It's about every one else in the world who doesn't have the knowledge or time to deal with this bullshit, and now becomes exposed to these kinds of shenanigans.

@rysiek @selea @EU_Commission You know, the human rights in the ECHR are generally considered to be indivisible and interdependent, that is, one cannot enjoy one of the rights without the other. One of those rights is privacy of communications. If we start sawing at these rights, chances are we'll lose others, and the entire founding principle of the EU is lost.

The motivation, I cannot fault. I have children as well that I want...

@rysiek @selea @EU_Commission ... to be safe. But the method of undermining a fundamental human right is just the wrong response, ethically as well as for the mechanic reasons you others have outlined here.

At the same time, the next generation internet initiative by the EC invests heavily into a more human centric future internet, in which human rights are supposed to be *more* protected than now.

It's also inconsistent here.

@rysiek @selea @EU_Commission It genuinely appears as if the commission doesn't know what it's doing here, and that's intensely scary.

You have advice on this matter. Civil society is consistently advising you not to undermine privacy. It's tragic that this advice keeps getting ignored to the detriment of absolutely everyone.

@jens @rysiek @selea @EU_Commission They know exactly what they’re doing. Don’t mistake malice for incompetence. This is the new William Barr/US Justice Dept. playbook.

cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/201

@aral @rysiek @selea @EU_Commission If it takes malicious actors saving face by claiming incompetence to stop this incursion on our rights, I'll take it. I will even applaud that they learned a lesson.

@jens @rysiek @selea @EU_Commission If made into law, #chatcontrol will undermine the human rights of every EU citizen. Every private conversation will be subject to criminalization.

@bob
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"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."

Cardinal Richelieu

@ghostdancer @bob @EU_Commission @rysiek Also with #chatcontrol you don't get the opportunity to appeal that an opaque automated system misinterpreted your private conversation out of context. It just gets directly forwarded to police.

With #EUvsChildSexualAbuse and #ChatControl, the
@EU_Commission proposes #undemocratic legislation in direct opposition to our fundamental right to #privacy of communications, set forth in the #ECHR as one of the founding principles of the #EU. This despite express and repeated recommendations by #CivilSociety. Known effective methods for protecting against abuse are instead ignored.

The goal is right. The method is as wrong as it can be. It's #unethical and #ineffective.

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@EU_Commission As I wrote to Frau #VonDerLeyen, as a German, she should be painfully aware that in the last 100 years, we've had two secret polices with access to everything, the #Stasi and the #Gestapo, and the entire world knows how that turned out.

Farming this out to tech companies with *less* oversight surely will be A Good Thing (Yeah, no, that's #sarcasm just so we're clear).

By the way, @FRA - what is your assessment on this blatant rights abuse?

We have a EU rights agency with a fedi account, @FRA, so I would very much like to know how the #privacy violation that is #ChatControl can be considered anything other than undermining #HumanRights in the EU by @EU_Commission .

Please issue a position statement. We need to know where we're at. Are our human rights respected in accordance with the #ECHR or is #MassSurveillance the higher goal?

Search yields no results.

fra.europa.eu/en/search?search

@jens @rysiek @selea @EU_Commission It creates policy gaps. These gaps can be measured by polling the opinion of a sample of the population.

@rysiek @selea @EU_Commission Incidentally, there are a few @NGIZero funded projects present here who take care of human rights as best as possible in their work, including my own #interpeer project.

It's also worth noting that we - tech that is - has worked for years on human rights guidelines such as datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc82 , work that is performed by EU civil society amongst others. We, generally speaking, have a good understanding of the solution space.

Mass surveillance is not in it.

@jens
What is being proposed is directly opposite to our projects and the reasons we got funded as part of the Privacy Enhancing Technologies funding. This has roll on consequences for any product that may provide a communication service in the EU.

It's horrific and the potential for mandating backdoors is contrary to #RFC1984. Which #RFC 8280 references along with a couple of other relevant RFCs.
@rysiek @selea @EU_Commission @NGIZero

@jens @rysiek @selea @EU_Commission @NGIZero
Let's not forget what's happening in the US with Roe vs Wade where private communications, plus metadata about their searches, for folks seeking abortions could be used to prosecute them. It does not take that much to be on the wrong side of the law.

npr.org/2022/05/10/1097482967/

#chatcontrol is #masssurveillance and will infringe on the human rights of EU citizens and EU residents.

@onepict @jens @rysiek @selea @EU_Commission @NGIZero Funny, search engine surveillance/data retention doesn't matter... until it does.

@selea @rysiek @EU_Commission yeah, the people they want to catch with this will, all the normal people who do nothing wrong will get stuck with the compromised version that is a problem.

@selea @rysiek @EU_Commission and it's a punch in victims face when they state that this stuff is circulating online for years. Europol and the German BKA literally didn't try to ask the hosting companies to delete the stuff.

Europol says that the local authorities are in charge and the BKA says it has no legal mandate for that.

tagesschau.de/investigativ/pan (German article)

@rysiek

Funny how there is so much interaction on this post and not a single answer from @EU_Commission at all, it's strengthening my belief that this is just a birdsite reposting bot and nothing else.

@EU_Commission

@sotolf @rysiek @EU_Commission

Yes, this is a birdsite crossposter. Not all of the official #EU accounts are, though, like @EC_OSPO and @EC_NGI where responses are given.

But I don't know if the #EUCommission does interact on twitter. What I notice there is that they have much more followers, but responses to tweets are for the most part insubstantial troll replies.

@humanetech

Yeah, it might be that they look at it more as a way to push out information rather than wanting to interact. It's a bit of a shame though, since there are a lot of interesting points being made here.

@rysiek @EU_Commission @EC_OSPO @EC_NGI

@sotolf @humanetech @rysiek @EU_Commission @EC_OSPO @EC_NGI You're welcome 🙂
If more people did the same, maybe they will pay attention 🙏

@humanetech @sotolf @rysiek @EU_Commission @EC_OSPO @EC_NGI

Birdsite is for sending 'information', not to engage in communication, which is a 2-way street.

Luckily not everyone is as cynical as I have become and that you still try 👍

#1984 #RFC1984

@rysiek @EU_Commission That and the ability to spy on political opponents to suppress opposition.

@rysiek@mastodon.technology @EU_Commission@social.network.europa.eu yes indeed, do think of the children.

we should have less monitoring like this shit, they can hardly sneeze without everybody knowing about it and half the internet cancelling them,
imagine what that's doing to them mentally.

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