This week in Kalendar development: v0.3.0 coming this week, bringing improved stability, efficiency, accessibility... and a Windows version??

Read all about the big changes that have taken over the past two weeks:

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@musicmatze @rysiek @kde @carlschwan

Unlikely to happen because:

- Writing a sync service from 0 is a gigantic pain

- Akonadi is incredibly powerful and handles most of what anyone would need from a sync service

- Akonadi has a sensible and easy-to-use API that apps like Kalendar can leverage

- There is no alternative that uses KDE APIs that is under active maintenance

Not saying Akonadi doesn't have big issues, but it is a good base. It just needs more love -- love it hasn't really gotten!

@claucambra @rysiek @kde @carlschwan

So why isn't there more love? Isn't there a fairly long list (from what I read on kde.org) of Patreons? Can't be a funding problem, is it?

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@musicmatze @claucambra @kde @carlschwan I've seen some threads on KDE mailing list that suggested that there is a serious problem with finding and *retaining* contributors.

Two factors were explicitly mentioned:
- complexity of the system (yeah, no kidding);
- less-than-great way that the project reacts to criticism (with ample examples of that in that thread).

If I find that thread, I'll link it here.

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@musicmatze @claucambra @kde @carlschwan don't think so. There was a thread where some KDE people went out of their way to be nice and apologetic about their concerns with Akonadi, and the Akonadi dev basically threw a tantrum anyway.

@rysiek @musicmatze @kde @carlschwan

I think it is important to note the human element here: an incredible amount of effort went into creating a super powerful PIM framework, and then many people piled on to criticise it -- some for better reasons than others.

It is natural for the response to sometimes be overly defensive in reaction to these things. Again, as a PIM developer myself -- Akonadi often gets more flak than it deserves, though I also agree some changes are needed.

@claucambra @musicmatze @kde @carlschwan okay, but the flipside of this is that the KDE project decided to force Akonadi (in the state it was 10 years ago) down users throats.

Disrupting lives and work of hundreds of thousands of users, just because they decided that "it's ready" when it was anything but.

That is no way to treat your userbase. And yes, it's a FLOSS project, so technically users are not owed anything, but in that case the devs need to deal with the criticism.

@rysiek @musicmatze @kde @carlschwan

In terms of complexity, I partly agree here, though I also think proper documentation would go a long way to making things seem less impenetrable even without any technical changes. Yet writing documentation also required manpower, which as we have established is lacking in Akonadi development right now

@claucambra @musicmatze @kde @carlschwan and it's lacking for reasons that have not changed for a decade. 🤷‍♀️

@claucambra @musicmatze @kde @carlschwan anyway, my apologies for butting-in and ranting about Akonadi. I do have strong feelings about it, and they are based in personal experience and observing the project for a decade.

But you didn't sign up for this, and I should have kept this as a separate thread.

In no way should that make you feel bad, I'm sorry if it did. I appreciate anyone who is contributing code and working on FLOSS. :blobheart:

@rysiek @musicmatze @kde @carlschwan

Certainly enough people have complained about it by now for us to be aware of the fact it has issues. Unfortunately what we need is to get more people working on a solution, and from my point of view that means fixing what we have and not starting back from square one.

Unfortunately, unlike Plasma since the 4.0 days, Akonadi hasn't really seen a concerted effort to address the large issues. Hopefully that will change sooner rather than later :)

@claucambra @musicmatze @kde @carlschwan I remain hopeful, and I do use KDE as my main environment. In general, it's great.

@rysiek @claucambra @kde @carlschwan same here! Am using KDE Plasma for about a year now (came from XFCE and before that sway and i3) and I never been happier with my desktop.

Having a fully integrated and usable Kontact suite and a way to sync configuration between multiple devices are my only two painpoints with the ecosystem 😄

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