Hey of the , anyone working at @Tutanota ?

How do you feel about being branded as those who "steal personal data"?

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@rysiek @Tutanota this I pretty clumsy messaging. ouch. I mean it looks like they really are trying to say Tutanota offers an encrypted inbox though,,, right?

@lurker @Tutanota hard to say. I think they're saying their own talented software developers are stealing people's data? 🤷‍♀️

@rysiek @Tutanota Really good point ... but many people dont get it I guess 🤷‍♂️

@hyde sure, but that means that either @Tutanota also doesn't get it, and so should not get anywhere near anyone's personal data; or they do get it and are just cynically using the term to get clicks.

"Cybercriminals" would have worked just as well there. And yet they decided to go with branding a creative community of techies as thieves.

And won't get better if "we" don't correct BS marketing and media when addressing criminals wrong.
@rysiek @Tutanota

@rysiek @Tutanota "hackers are getting more successful" plus the 💪 is just... Misleading at a glance lol

@rysiek @Tutanota

Hacker 🚫 Thieve!

@Tutanota Please don't brand Hackers as thieves, You guys are hackers.
This is real life and not a Hollywood movie.

@randynose @rysiek @Tutanota

The correct term for someone who steals others' data and uses it to make money is "Silicon Valley startup founder."

@suetanvil @rysiek @Tutanota

We need to use the correct term.

CON ARTIST. - Of course there might be some artists that take offense.. ?

@suetanvil @rysiek @Tutanota

But perhaps we need to nudge Catalin Cimpanu
into using better terms, as he seems to be a hacker too...

@randynose @rysiek @Tutanota

In all seriousness, I generally use the term "criminal" or (*sigh*) "cyber-criminal".

The term "hacker" has been (mis)used for decades to the point where I always qualify it (e.g. "she's a hacker in the original non-criminal sense") and I've kind of written it off now. (Although I've been pleasantly surprised to see it coming back as something other than a negative term.)

@randynose @rysiek @Tutanota

Also, from a marketing POV, 'hacker' is a bad term because most people envision mischievous kids playing (mostly) harmless pranks.

The actual bad actors are sophisticated, organised criminals who will steal a company's data, and use it to commit massive fraud, often doing irreparable harm to hundreds of thousands of people and destroying the company in the process.

@suetanvil @randynose @Tutanota it's up to us to bring the positive meaning to the term "hacker". This has been done with other terms. We can do this with "hacker" too.

@rysiek Thanks for pointing this out, much appreciated! You are absolutely right, next time we'll use malicious attackers!
@suetanvil @randynose

"next time we'll use malicious attackers!"
Not the kind of sentence you want to take out of context.
@rysiek @suetanvil @randynose

@normandc @Tutanota @rysiek @suetanvil

Better Watch it Normand, someone might sick a stack of malicious delicious attackers on you!

@randynose @normandc @Tutanota @rysiek

Delicious Attackers were the highlight of the night when I saw them open for Elastica in '94.

@rysiek @Tutanota

The author of the original article SHOULD know better.


Catalin Cimpanu is a cybersecurity reporter for The Record. He previously worked at ZDNet and Bleeping Computer, where he became a well-known name in the industry for his constant scoops on new vulnerabilities, cyberattacks, and law enforcement actions against hackers.

@rysiek @Tutanota I think is just one of those cases when language is drifting. Despite the benign (tech) origins, the "gifted people who do bad things with tech" definition of hacker is pretty mainstream at this point.

Kind of how "literally" now means "figuratively," for some reason. 🙂🤷🏼‍♂️

@Argus @Tutanota sure. But in that case, I am trying to push it to drift in the other direction.

Because we *do* need a term for creative techie people. And we *have* a term for cybercriminals. Using "hackers" in this sense is simply either ignorant or disingenuous.

There is *no reason* to use the word "hacker" to mean "cybercriminal" other than clickbait.

@rysiek @Argus @Tutanota the best part in all of this is that the term for creative techie people is usually "nerd"

@xerz @Tutanota @Argus which is used in a derogatory manner more often than not, in my experience. Which is also a damn shame.


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@rysiek @Tutanota

Good point! I love hackers and the creative hacker-mindset where your imagination lets you use anything for something else than its intended purpose :D

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