Gah, how I hate Flatpak.
It insists on downloading all the packages I already have installed on my base system anyway, plus insists on installing stuff into the root partition instead into my home diretory.
All sorts of utterly annoying and otherwise avoidable frustrations ensue.
Flatpak and Snap should both just DIAF.
@rysiek There's a flavour of argument over packaging systems and formats which runs:
X package format is difficult for software developers to use.
Y package format is easy for software developers to use.
Therefore Y package format is better than X.
What's not realised is that the fundamental value and benefit to package management is to systems administrators / owners / users, and integrated distributions of packages. And that the major costs of operation and maintenance are not installation, but *operations and maintenance.
"Easy for sofware developers" typically translates to "encourages sloppy and difficult-to-maintain processes and practices". Not only this, but by lowering up-front costs at the expense of long-term costs, the practice further encourages poor practices (from an O&M perspective), and puts well-behaved software at a disadvantage.
See the Debian Project's explicit focus on user benefit, a long-term value benefit.
This is a Jevons Paradox / Gresham's Law crowding out of well-behaved software and a race-to-the-bottom of poor long-term O&M behaviour.
@cnx @rysiek @dredmorbius Oh hey, here's a Ubuntu LTS user asking how to install experimental, undocumented new software: https://mixxx.discourse.group/t/stems-function-in-mixxx/23393/8
But that user chose LTS for a reason. If that reason doesn't hold anymore, one can always move to a fresher version of Ubuntu, for example.
Flatpak and snap are not solutions here, they are hacky work-arounds. In the long run they will, IMVHO, cause more problems than they solve. For one, because they break basic assumptions about how software is installed and run on a given system.
@be @cnx @dredmorbius okay, but with dependencies that do not go into "runtimes", based on what you're saying, one can end up with the same version of a particular library installed mutliple times because multiple people forked the same abandoned flatpak package.
Great, so now I have not one package to audit if I need some basic assurances, but multiple. For the same piece of software.
This Mastodon instance is for people interested in technology. Discussions aren't limited to technology, because tech folks shouldn't be limited to technology either!