Hey @LemmyDev , the official instance (lemmy.ml) seems to be federating with a known tankie instance (lemmygrad[.]ml):
That instance has several... problematic... threads, for example celebrating Stalin and denying Uyghur genocide.
Do you perhaps see this as a problem?
@dwaltiz yeah, saw it. I mean, that's one way of dealing with potentially toxic interactions. Not extremely effective, but not necessarily evil in and of itself.
the line is not between "believers of free speech" and "triggered snowflakes". the line is between people who know that tolerating stuff like genocide-denial leads to fascism (sorry, this is massively boilt down) and people who pretend to "just want to have a discussion" while denying basic human rights to a group of people.
choose your side wisely
and no, i don't care what they do on lemmy. idgaf. but knowing they're ccp bootlickers and stalinists means i don't want to be associated with them, i will not advertise the thing and honestly: i have to regard them as the dimwits they are.
not so sure why a) you people get so triggered over this (may i not have an opinion and voice it) and b) this cow-nazi suddenly appears to spray slurs
no, it's not!
i, like @rysiek, doubt official versions of china regarding the issue.
not sure why y'all are getting so triggered by that fact. care to elaborate?
@Hyolobrika btw. your identity/heritage (half-jew) unfortunately does neither strongen nor weaken any points you're trying make. why would you even bring that up? is your opinion on the matter more important because you ancestors lived through something similar?
also, please refrain from presuming cultural identities of people who don't give any such context.
i'm referring to karl popper's tolerance paradoxon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
looking at the start of the thread: someone told others not to use a site/instance and YOU asked what the problem with "alternate views on current events" was.
seriously, if you're so blatant with your identity, please educate yourself with the history of anti-semitism in europe (for the last 1000 yrs). please read some real 1930ies nazi propaganda. please try to see the signs instead of just "free speech"ing authoritarian bullshit.
"alternate views" my ass
which doesn't mean that it's true. i don't know of a single instance where nazis were actually censored, but know of countless times they ranted over being censored. you can not be too oppressed if you may voice your oppression so loudly. unlike the uyghurs.
imo strict censorship can't solve the problem.
imo the only true way to handle such content is to actually give a platform, contextualize the content. tell people why something is dangerous.
germany does that with nazi propaganda. it's not forbidden, but you must set context, and you may not read a whole speech without interruption (i.e. on stage)
just spreading bullshit is simply dangerous, if you intend it to be or not
saying: "i doubt official story on event X" is always fine. neither gov nor media can be trusted per se.
but spreading doubt upon claims of genocide, which is supposed to happen in a country where there is not even a claim of "free speech" or journalistic freedom....?! i don't get why this seems so hard for you.
maybe you explain how/why this seems ok/cool to you?
There is a line between doubting something is happening, and voicing "doubts" as a form of denial or even support for something. Holocaust denial is a prime example of that. But also climate change denialism, too.
At this stage there is enough evidence of what's happening to Uyghurs in China to call it genocide. Denying it is effectively supporting it.
@binchicken I am not a fan of bothsidesing:
There's a difference.
@rysiek also what if the uyghur genocide is happening, but is also being used by the hegemony of captial-backed, rules-based international order as an excuse for sinophobia and to back yet another separatist movement to prompt destabilisiation of a competitor? what if, instead of both sides, it's neither?
This Mastodon instance is for people interested in technology. Discussions aren't limited to technology, because tech folks shouldn't be limited to technology either!