Can we please agree not to call apples "oranges" just because we like how "oranges" sound, and we also happen to like apples?

These are different kinds of fruit, and calling one using the name for the other is simply misleading.

Same with "anti-capitalist licenses" being called "open-source licenses".

They're not. They're different. The difference matters - if it didn't, there would be no reason not to use open-source licenses!

@bookwyrm is not "open source" (doesn't mean bad!):

@rysiek @bookwyrm >not "open source" is? Unless those quotation marks change the meaning significantly in a way that I'm unaware of.
That project definitely doesn't seem to be *free*, though.

@vyivel @bookwyrm it is not open-source software. Open-source software has a very clear definition: software available on one of the licenses that are OSI-approved.

Bookwyrm's license is *not* OSI-approved.

Again, that doesn't necessarily mean it's "bad". But it does, in fact, mean it's not open-source.

@rysiek @bookwyrm I'd say OSD [1] is just one of the definitions of open source, and OSI isn't the only source of truth. In my book, for software to be qualified as open source, it must, well, have its sources open.

Also, OSD has conditions like "the license must not discriminate against any person or group", which, while they sound good, are absolutely unrelated to source code itself. Frankly, I'm not a fan of such definition.


@vyivel @bookwyrm great! But that term has been *defined* this way and *used* this way for decades.

Coming now and saying "I'm going to just start randomly using it to mean something else" is, well, not helpful.

There is a need for a term that refers to "anti-capitalist licenses". But "open-source" is not that term.

If you take the effort to come up with a new definition, bite the bullet and come up with a new term too.

@vyivel @bookwyrm plus, Bookwyrm's license also has plenty of conditions that are "absolutely unrelated to source code itself":

All the conditions around "individual person", "organization", "ownership", "educational institution", "law enforcement" in that license have nothing to do with the source code, after all.

@rysiek @bookwyrm My post wasn't related to Bookwyrm at all. They can have whatever they want in their license, I don't mind.

@vyivel @bookwyrm welp, you did reply in a long-ish thread specifically about Bookwyrm, and generally about anti-capitalist licenses being mislabeled as open-source licenses.

So, there's that.

@rysiek @bookwyrm I was merely replying to a phrase "Bookwyrm isn't 'open source'"; guess we just have different views at what words "open" and "source" mean.

I agree that "anti-capitalist" ≠ "open source", though.

@vyivel so let me get this straight:

1. you claim Bookwyrm *is* open source
2. you agree "anti-capitalist licenses" ≠ open source

Are you aware that Bookwyrm is, in fact, licensed under an "anti-capitalist license"?

If so, I am unsure how you can hold 1. and 2. to be true at the same time...

Yes, Bookwyrm is open source (according to my definition of open source).
Yes, an anti-capitalist license isn't necessarily an open source license, and vice versa.
Yes, Bookwyrm is licensed under an anti-capitalist license, while also being open source.
I don't see the problem.
@rysiek A software which legally has its sources open to inspect. Simple as.

@vyivel so, all of the Big Tech "source-available" licenses that let you see the source code but not run or use it are "open-source", according to your definition.

Is that correct?

@vyivel @rysiek I mean, vylvel is correct, "open source" does not imply that you are allowed to _use_ the source, only that it is open

@Mia @vyivel no it doesn't:

"Open-source software (OSS) is computer software that is released under a license in which the copyright holder grants users the rights to use, study, change, and distribute the software and its source code to anyone and for any purpose."

Other sources of OSS definitions have been quoted in this thread already, if you mistrust Wikipedia.

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