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Hey, , do you use (say, at least once per week) any Mozilla products?

Context: some people are claiming "nobody uses Mozilla's products anymore". I'd like to see if that's actually true.

@rysiek I use Firefox daily on both desktop and mobile. Not because I think it's good, but because I think everything else is even worse

And I use Thunderbird for my mails because I don't need anything more advanced for the way I handle emails

@schratze@todon.nl @rysiek@mastodon.technology i feel the same way , like what other options are their.

the only real competition is chrome/chromium and I'm certainly not going to be using that or any of their derivatives.

@schratze@todon.nl @rysiek@mastodon.technology then it's not really removed from google.
all they'd have to do is embed the malicious code very deep into the engine and just not let anyone know about it.

now what i'd very very much love to see is a vivaldi but using gecko. perhaps they can based it off of librewolf.

@schratze @rysiek this.
at least re:firefox. re: thunderbird at some point I started using neomutt and then that was it for thunderbird on my end 🙃 Though I still recommend it to people who I don't want to confront with terminals 😬

@rysiek I use LibreWolf, Tor Browser and occasionally vanilla Firefox (but only for Big Blue Button). I don't use any of Mozilla's proprietary things, like Pocket.

@rysiek Firefox based browsers all the way.
I am also not contributing to Google's browser monopoly by not using Chromium based browsers.

@rysiek Thunderbird for mail, but Vivaldi for browser

Thunderbird is simply out of force of habit, but Vivaldi recently added a mail client to their browser and I might consider using it once the bugs and issues are ironed out

Firefox just doesn't have some Vivaldi features I use daily, performance is iffy especially when listening to radio and it has irritating anti-features (like showing you unsolicited news and sponsored crap on the new tab page unless you actively turn it off)

@rysiek @ak You can customize what you see when you open a new page, like disabling the news and your most visited sites if you prefer.

@rysiek yes but I'm tweaked for more privacy and also use some plugins.

@rysiek I use Tor daily but for my local network I use #LibreWolf. I like FireFox but it's anoying that Google is their main search engine.

@rysiek I use Firefox and Thunderbird on a daily basis. The latter perhaps more out of habit?

I don't use anything else by Mozilla. In particular, I use keepassxc instead of Lockwise.

A lot of privacy add-ons. E.g. Noscript and Selfdestructing Cookies.

I also regularly use Tor-browser.

I recently also tested ungoogled-chromium, since it's said that chromium-based browsers are better for video conferences. I don't have conclusive results for this yet.

@rysiek In my opinion, Thunderbird is the least bad mail client (all mail clients are bad) and Firefox is the one real alternative to Chromium-based browsers. If Firefox‘ development were stopped, there would be only Chromium left which would be one monopoly more for Google

@ynnx @rysiek I think that's why Google funds Mozilla.

It most likely pays so no one accuses Google of being a monopoly.

@lasombra @ynnx Google is a monopoly anyway. But Mozilla, for all its faults, still does a lot of good work, and is one of the very few active browser engine vendors. This enables browser projects that are not based on Chrome/Chromium, which I find important.

@rysiek @ynnx That's certainly very true, but I'm afraid Google's money comes with strings.

We need to be careful about what are they.

@rysiek @lasombra @ynnx

"Mozilla […] is one […] browser engine vendors"

Hum. Maybe I would say "donator", not "vendor"!

By the way, I use Firefox and Thunderbird at home and at work.

And I donate to Mozilla yearly to thanks and support them.

@rysiek Firefox on desktop and mobile, all day every day.

@rysiek Do MDN and Rust count? Not that I'm using them on a weekly basis tho.

@rysiek I think we're not representing the majority here. I mean we're (almost) all nerds hating google ! So yeah, mozilla and especially firefox are going down. All the massive data on the subject says it ...

@oursse oh sure, and of course this is a very self-selected group, and the poll has no semblance to proper statistical research on the matter.

That said, a person on fedi claimed "nobody uses Mozilla". seems like at least on fedi, this could not be farther form the truth. So that has *some* relevance, at least, I believe.

@rysiek ok i get it now. I guess in that context maybe ^^

@EdwardTorvalds so, let me get this straight:

First you ignore the fact that I asked not specifically about Firefox, but about any Mozilla product.

Then you ignore the fact that I specifically asked fedi about it (thus consciously and clearly limiting the scope).

And *then* you ignore the fact I am trying to see if in fact "nobody uses Mozilla" (which is a very strong statement, and different from "only 3.5% of monitored web user used Firefox")?

Thanks for your helpful contribution, I guess?..

@rysiek Firefox on computers, Iceraven on my phone/tablet.

I also use the Firefox Lockwise app on my phone.

Occasionally will use the firefox private network service. (Different from their VPN).

@rysiek I use Firefox all the time. And Thunderbird.
Since I work on web dev, I can see the comparison of privacy features of Firefox versus other browsers in my daily work. Out of the four major browsers, Firefox is the biggest PITA when it comes to circumventing privacy features and my go-to argument to reject feature requests that involve trying to circumvent those.

@rysiek Firefox is my main point of call when a website doesn't work in my own browsers. One of which btw can use Mozilla DeepSpeech, so I contribute to Mozilla Common Voice to aid all speech-to-text engines.

I think this covers most weeks for me.

@rysiek Oh yeah, and I tend to refer to MDN quite frequently.

@rysiek Firefox (both desktop and Android versions), Thunderbird, Pocket, and my favourite one is Firefox Focus (on Android) 🙂

@rysiek I'm using Firefox on mobile and desktop and Thunderbird on desktop.
I also set up (Firefox) Sync in the past, but wouldn't do it today anymore. Maybe I'll delete it at some time in the future.

@rysiek

I use a browser that's firefox based... Does that count as using Mozilla product?

@rysiek

I guess Mozilla until recently developed Rust compiler (now Rust Foundation maintains it) so I'll consider it mozilla product.

@rysiek
Firefox for home (Vivaldi for working from home, as it handles Teams better). Fennec on phone, Pocket to read out web articles to me when I'm busy. FF Send while it still ran.

Thunderbird for managing/backing up email accounts, but reading is done wholly on the phone with Fairmail.

@rysiek It would help quite a lot if the Thunderbird team would use it as their primary mailclient instead of that 'good webmailer'

@adorfer totally. I also have opinions on their choice of OpenPGP library. Strong opinions. But that's for another thread.

@brand 🕵️

And I would have gotten away with this, too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids!

@rysiek Additionally, I like Rust and Mozilla SOPS. Encrypting yamls with SOPS is awesome in the GitOps / FluxCD v2 / Kubernetes / Vault ecosystem.

@rysiek There's a lot of statistics online that also prove the opposite. Like Firefox usage.

@wmd and yet I am not asking about Firefox, but Mozilla, and not asking the general population, but people on fedi.

And so far out of 565 people who took part, only 5% (so, ~28 people) said they don't use any Mozilla product.

~95% of 565 responders here (so, ~537 people) is not "nobody". And that's what I was trying to establish for my own curiosity, in an unscientific, unreliable way.

@rysiek Is Thunderbird still a Mozilla project? I thought they dropped support for it?

@rysiek
I'd like to use Thunderbird but it cannot handle the size of my mailbox.

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