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can we please try to calm down a little on the pleroma = bad people always thing

i have a lot of friends who run pleroma for single user instance purposes because it's way easier than running mastodon and it's one of the few alternatives to mastodon

a lot of real shitty people use pleroma, yes

but using pleroma doesn't instantly make someone a bad faith fedi user

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mastodon is a pain and a half to run, it's kinda monstrous

like i said, pleroma is one of the few alternatives that works worth a damn and it's all that some people are able to realistically run

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basically please don't put "it's a pleroma instance" as part of the justification in your block recommendation

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running toomanycooks.social is an exercise in me being absolutely terrified that i'm gonna break something or the servers are just gonna fold in on themselves entirely

i can entirely empathize with anyone who doesn't want to deal with that barrier to entering the fediverse if they want their own individual instance for any reason

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asterisk on "any" being "unless they're using it to avoid being banned for being a shitheel" but i'd hope that goes without saying

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@mdszy in fact, if you count gab, many more bad people use mastodon than pleroma

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@mdszy hey look at mastotech we catch fire every 2 months it's fine

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@bclindner hey but you and ash do a very good job of getting things back to normal in very reasonable timeframes and i appreciate the hell out of you both ❤️

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@bclindner @mdszy wait you run mastotech? Why didn’t I just make that my main.

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@matthew @mdszy okay Ash runs it I just help unexplode the instance and swing the banhammer mostly but still

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@bclindner @mdszy oh idk who Ash is.

todon.nl was just down for half an hour and I’m already thinking this was a mistake for a main lol

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@mdszy that is relevant information because the technology doesn't accept user blocks and so blocking at instance level is the only serious way to start cordoning it off.

It's not a sufficient reason but it is important info

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@hope oh okay! i didn't know that, thank you

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@mdszy i remember briefly looking into running a mastodon instance and thinking to myself "i'm going to run into all the same crap i run into at work" :goose_honk:

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@dvshkn running toomanycooks has proven to be *terrifying* lmao

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@mdszy lol, in the kindest way possible i'm very glad that i'm not the one doing it

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@dvshkn i COMPLETELY understand and can appreciate that sentiment

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@mdszy

It always depends. Bad people can be everywhere - the same way as good ones. The simple trick is simply to align with the great ones and ignore malicious ones ;)

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@mdszy if i had good reason to believe that my instance was going to be blocked by the rest of fedi and i'd have to spin up another one, i also probably wouldn't use something as heavy as mastodon

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@mdszy like even as someone who runs a mastodon instance, part of what makes fedi so cool is all the different software that my instance knows how to talk to

we don't need more mastodon lock-in than we already have

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@monorail exactly

the fact that the mastodon dev's decisions can have such massive influence on fedi because of how ubiquitious masto is always kinda worries me

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@mdszy especially since i don't even like that guy

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@mdszy this is true but like 90% of my instance blocks are pleroma sites, i dont blame people for making the association. i also think the dev culture kind of fostered that, knowingly or not

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@dankwraith i understand entirely, but it still worries me when people put "pleroma instance" as justification in a block recommendation

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@dankwraith @mdszy
I suspect it's more the minimum viability cost principle.
Mastodon is harder to host, so you get fewer, bigger masto instances.
Since people tend to group together, you consequently have fewer masto *instances* to block (even if the number of people is relatively comparable).
Since pleroma is easier to host, there are more pleroma instances, so for the same chud population you end up with more instances to block.
I wonder what the stats would be on your end if you adjusted based on # of users.

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@mdszy

Thank you.

I'm one of those people who runs my single person instance (have a few friends on here too). I couldn't afford having to throw 100/month at a server beefy enough not to crash constantly because mastodon is a bloated pile of shit. Yes, Pleroma can be abused, but so can mastodon. It's about the admin's running them, and their stances on moderation and such IMHO. Doesn't matter what software someone uses, if the admin is a shitheel, I defederate immediately. ✊

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@bort i run a mastodon instance and it's always an exercise in being terrified that something about how complex the setup is is just gonna break horribly

and it's clear that i'm going to need to upgrade the servers sooner than later because hoo boy it's a beast

i can 10000% understand why someone would choose something more lightweight

and unfortunately we don't have a whole lot of options other than masto/pleroma

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@mdszy

Indeed, I started working on an alternative a while back, but life got crazy and I had to shelve it a while. I'm thinking about working on it again. The lack of options is crappy.

The biggest issue I had with masto as a server is the media caching just blows up hard drive space. The main failure point I had was related to sidekiq though.

Sidekiq is a pile. I've had to use it extensively at previous jobs and holy hell it breaks a lot. Ruby on rails has it's uses, but stuff that needs lots of concurrency isn't one of them. That's why there are so many other things you have to run at the same time to work around that particular problem.

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@mdszy good point, though i wonder how much the hostility feeds off of needing javascript just to see even the most basic information about any given instance

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@carcinopithecus maybe somewhat among a lot of folks who care about that but it's never something i've experienced/heard of

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