The current state of iOS clients certainly leaves a lot to be desired. But I'm very excited about the rate of progress recently.

We now have a growing number of people making it their mission to ensure XMPP gets the first-class iOS experience it desperately needs.

Make sure to provide the developers feedback. If you find a bug that isn't reported, or that you could provide additional insight into, that is a really helpful way to contribute to improving the future of XMPP on iOS.

We can do this! 😎

@mattj Sounds interesting, but are the protocol problems solved? As long as push cannot be configured server side, there'll always be push spam. Matrix solved this pretty well, I would be really happy if XMPP could have as good push as Matrix one day. (iOS + Push + XMPP being as terrible as it is is what made me move to Matrix)

@js
What kind of configuration are you thinking? What's your definition of "push spam"?

@mattj Join a MUC, get spammed, because there's a.) no filtering (I canot say don't push for MUC) and b.) no deduplication (if someone didn't specify an id on their message, I'm SOL)

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@js
Not sure where deduplication comes in? The client would just ask for messages since whatever the last one it saw was.

I find this platform tricky for real-time technical discussions... if you want to chat, feel free to reach out!

@mattj The problem is that you get both, MAM and the MUC giving you the last N messages. If any of them does not have an id, the client doesn't know how to dedup.

@js
Modern clients don't ask for "the last N messages" but use MAM with IDs and/or time ranges instead.

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