Hey, English question: what's a gender-neutral version of "you guys"? Because I blurted "you people" and that made someone angry at me, thinking I was being dismissive 😕

Thanks everyone for the ideas/discussion. To give a bit more context: it was a whole-team discussion, and I wanted to refer to a subteam, and ask "hey, you guys are the ones maintaining this system, right?". But then I realized I was talking to a lady, and "guys" might be not OK, so I switched to "people". That wasn't a good choice 🤦‍♂️

"you folks" as @ellotheth suggested would work, I guess? But "y'all" would address the whole group instead of the subteam, right?

cc: @Majkatsu @caseyp @acrata

@jon_valdes (The Julia Evans survey is pretty fascinating:

I end up using "folks" or "people" a lot. Or "you g--everybody", that's a classic.

You people is considered offensive by many, due to certain overtones. Y'all is very widespread in parts of the US, but there a number of regional dialectal alternatives such as 'youins' and 'youse'

@jon_valdes Not necessarily. If you're talking directly to the team (looking at them or giving off other non-verbal cues), "y'all" sounds to me like you're addressing the team. "Hey, your team is maintaining..." could be another option. @Majkatsu @caseyp @acrata

@ellotheth @Majkatsu @caseyp @acrata

Another detail I forgot to mention: it was a discussion through Slack, so no non-textual cues :(

Or, more formally, you could just address a group as “everyone.”

But yes, “you people” is often said in a derogatory way to address a group of people (sometimes a whole demographic) condescendingly.

But drop the “you” and just say “people” and that’s usually ok.

English is awkward.

I quite like in French, the way you can just say tout le monde.

@InvaderXan @jon_valdes @acrata

"You people" doesn't have to be derogatory or condescending ("you people with your cool tech and basic troubleshooting ability"), but it's always other-ing in a way that "you guys" and "y'all" and "folks" are not. "You people" as opposed to "people like me". If you want to highlight that opposition between us and them, use "you people"; otherwise skip it.

@ellotheth @InvaderXan @jon_valdes I stated that "you people" was derogatory, because I'm old enough to remember when it clearly offended African-Americans in my native DC. Perhaps it's different now

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