for what it’s worth, I mostly agree with @denschub about his post. especially acknowledging that litepub has had a lot of difficulty gaining traction, but some good has come out of it.
a large part of why litepub failed to gain traction is because it didn’t go far enough, but it is still an activitypub dialect, and is probably the most widely deployed one verses the mastodon dialect. and, for the most part, these are cross-compatible.
i am probably going to write some response to his blog at some point, but i need to think about what i want to say about it.
what i will say is this: of all the AP implementations, I think Pleroma and some of the smaller implementations like Kroeg are the only ones that are seriously trying to deliver a universal experience. in my opinion, Mastodon and many other implementations either drop or degrade non-native content to the point that they have less functionality than RSS readers.
in particular, i don’t understand how the Mastodon developers can say:
The social network that is Mastodon isn’t really Mastodon. It’s bigger. It’s any piece of software that implements ActivityPub. That software can be wildly different in how it looks and what it does! But the social graph–what we call the people and their connections–is the same.
… when rich media objects (or hell, even Article objects) are degraded into Note objects. after all, what good is a social graph if you can’t fully interact with all of the nodes in it?
i will also say that Pleroma hasn’t been out there promising the entire world the moon. we have not been saying “yeah, implement ActivityPub and then you will automatically interoperate with us in a nice way,” because it simply isn’t true.
the main problem with ActivityPub and ActivityStreams is that the designers failed to observe or at least mention that the interpretation of objects induces side effects: each implementation has to know what a Video or an Article or a Page object are in order to be able to present them in a useful way to the user. there’s a couple of approaches that can be used to do this, you can degrade the unknown objects to an object type you understand and hope for the best, or you can define a way to present the object that makes sense. Mastodon does the former, and Pleroma does the latter.
ask yourself: who should be the ones actually pushing projects to link into the fediverse? the ones implementing a project that degrades everything to a Note, or the ones implementing a project that tries to be a universal client of everything the fediverse has to offer?
the implementations which are working hard to provide a rich experience are staying quiet about ActivityPub, and the implementations which degrade the experience are talking up a serious game about ActivityPub. i think that speaks for itself.
anyway, you should definitely read dennis’s blog. i’ll expand on this some point later.
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I wrote up some Opinions™ about iterating on the #ActivityPub protocol and how we can continue improving it without sacrificing compatibility or fracturing the network: https://jeremydormitzer.com/blog/activitypub-good-enough-for-jazz/. Comments welcome here or on the post.
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Kaniini, one of the lead developers of Pleroma, recently published a blog post called ActivityPub: The “Worse is Better” Approach to Federated Social Networking. It’s a critique of the security and safety of the ActivityPub protocol. They make some good points: ActivityPub doesn’t support fine-grained access control checks, e.g. I want someone to be able […] Show more
ActivityPub: Good Enough for Jazz https://jeremydormitzer.com/blog/activitypub-good-enough-for-jazz/
@sean @kaniini @jalcine AP is popular because it's simple and it works. I absolutely agree the design isn't perfect because it does have some gaping holes, but as a protocol framework, it's really solid.
I say we build on that rather than lamenting the fact an imperfect idea is getting traction.
With all of these big brains floating around the fediverse, I know we can do better than 'this is bad, but I don't know the answer'.
This is such an opportunity to set a positive tone moving forward.
I discovered the #Symfony library today. It's super impressive! It offers an extensible, elegant HTTP request handling model. I'm going to use it in my #ActivityPub #PHP library. The library is shaping up really well - it's shaping up to be a full ActivityPub server that can be plugged directly into your existing application with minimal fuss, and extended to meet a broad range of needs.
@jdormit Great post - and I agree with the sentiment. The “switching costs” are perhaps the most challenging- people have built their whole connected network of people within the walled gardens of mainstream social networks. Rebuilding that elsewhere is a large amount of effort - that many (most?) people simply have no desire to do yet. It may be that we need to continue to chip away at barriers so that as more people have the desire, the path is easier for them to move.
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