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@fdroidorg sound pretty reasonable tbh
Good call. Thanks for being sane. Though I hope these political decisions will be kept at an absolute minimum.
Ooh, this will be a really nice thread to feed my blocklist.
Ok, here are the rules - I don't care whether you voice your opinion supporting the block or resisting the block. All I care about is if you voice your opinion politely and respectfully. If not, welcome to my blocklist.
@chebra all sounds very sensible to me, particularly the distinction between tools and platforms. I agree the app devs have the right to code their app however they see fit. I disagree with what #Tusky did, because it creates a precedent for the developers of other software that implements standard protocols to be pressured to build in political blocks for all sorts of reason, and dogpiled if they don't. Reading between the lines, it seems like that's already happened to #Fedilab.
Agreed, I don't agree with Tusky either. A hardcoded block is exactly why we have OSS and rickrolling is just childish. I'm merely giving them the benefit of the doubt and will drop them if they do something like that again. Gab is clearly the moral bad guy, but how we deal with bad guys is what defines us. Tusky chose to get down on their level and use their methods. Fedilab and F-Droid are trying to find a higher level of morality, navigating through the maze carefully.
> Gab is clearly the moral bad guy, but how we deal with bad guys is what defines us.
This. Particulary when it comes to avoiding "friendly fire" and "collatoral damage". I posted a piece about this a while back on #LibCom:
@chebra Disagreeing with the attitudes of "by any means necessary" and "the ends justify the means" is why I joined the anarchist movement in the 90s, not a marxist-leninist vanguard party. Those ideas haven't gone away and it seems like many new recruits to the left don't know our history well enough to know why that kind of sectarian bloody-mindedness is the problem, not the solution.
Exactly. Humans have been struggling with separating the bad guys without friendly fire for thousands of years and haven't really come up with a clear simple solution. Mathematically, it's because our actions are often binary (block vs not block) but the "badness" is a spectrum. Where exactly should we draw the line? Some issues are clear enough, but others are unresolved as of today.
@fdroidorg thank you!
@fdroidorg thank you so much for this.
@fdroidorg "staying neutral isn’t an option but instead will lead to the uprise of previously mentioned oppression and harassment against marginalized groups"
Thanks for taking a clear stance!
You seem to believe that Gab is wholly composed of harassers. This is simply false.
The majority of Gab users are nothing like that. AND harassers exist on every platform.
Singling out Gab like this is silly.
The reason Gab has been seized upon is because it's popular with Trump supporters, and a lot of Trump opponents are desperate to do anything they can to prevent Trump 2020.
Maybe, but I'm not talking abut legal definition. Legal definition of free speech also exists, yet you didn't mention it. Maybe because legal definition of free speech clearly excludes inciting violence and other crimes, which is exactly the boundary of free speech we are dealing with now.
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