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@fdroidorg sound pretty reasonable tbh
Good call. Thanks for being sane. Though I hope these political decisions will be kept at an absolute minimum.
Ooh, this will be a really nice thread to feed my blocklist.
Ok, here are the rules - I don't care whether you voice your opinion supporting the block or resisting the block. All I care about is if you voice your opinion politely and respectfully. If not, welcome to my blocklist.
@chebra all sounds very sensible to me, particularly the distinction between tools and platforms. I agree the app devs have the right to code their app however they see fit. I disagree with what #Tusky did, because it creates a precedent for the developers of other software that implements standard protocols to be pressured to build in political blocks for all sorts of reason, and dogpiled if they don't. Reading between the lines, it seems like that's already happened to #Fedilab.
Agreed, I don't agree with Tusky either. A hardcoded block is exactly why we have OSS and rickrolling is just childish. I'm merely giving them the benefit of the doubt and will drop them if they do something like that again. Gab is clearly the moral bad guy, but how we deal with bad guys is what defines us. Tusky chose to get down on their level and use their methods. Fedilab and F-Droid are trying to find a higher level of morality, navigating through the maze carefully.
> Gab is clearly the moral bad guy, but how we deal with bad guys is what defines us.
This. Particulary when it comes to avoiding "friendly fire" and "collatoral damage". I posted a piece about this a while back on #LibCom:
@chebra Disagreeing with the attitudes of "by any means necessary" and "the ends justify the means" is why I joined the anarchist movement in the 90s, not a marxist-leninist vanguard party. Those ideas haven't gone away and it seems like many new recruits to the left don't know our history well enough to know why that kind of sectarian bloody-mindedness is the problem, not the solution.
Exactly. Humans have been struggling with separating the bad guys without friendly fire for thousands of years and haven't really come up with a clear simple solution. Mathematically, it's because our actions are often binary (block vs not block) but the "badness" is a spectrum. Where exactly should we draw the line? Some issues are clear enough, but others are unresolved as of today.
@fdroidorg thank you!
@fdroidorg thank you so much for this.
@fdroidorg "staying neutral isn’t an option but instead will lead to the uprise of previously mentioned oppression and harassment against marginalized groups"
Thanks for taking a clear stance!
You seem to believe that Gab is wholly composed of harassers. This is simply false.
The majority of Gab users are nothing like that. AND harassers exist on every platform.
Singling out Gab like this is silly.
The reason Gab has been seized upon is because it's popular with Trump supporters, and a lot of Trump opponents are desperate to do anything they can to prevent Trump 2020.
Firefox doesn't brand itself with the logo of a company that abuses free speech to promote and benefit off hate speech. This is exactly what Gab does and - at least for me - which is the elephant in the room that hardly anyone talks about. Free speech, free speech, but why is Gab so proud of performing and/or tolerating gestures that actively harm other people?
As for that reaction that you got, yes, I think it was overblown, unless the person in question is in some severe emotional distress that they can no longer safely hold it inside them.
In general, it's okay for me to disagree via civil discussion, but simply throwing "fuck you" around - sure, it helps one person with letting some emotions out, but is also plainly harmful to both sides of the discussion in the long run.
That's where I, personally, have noticed some time ago that some other people can't "not call for an individual/platform/app" as easily as other people, like you. The thing that you've called "just don't look at it" isn't as obvious for some other people or groups of people as they are for you. [>>]
@jhol @elsacodelcoco Why? That's a pretty broad question - usually due of hardships in their life that require most of their attention. The attention that they would normally spend on clicking "ignore" is already gone, as they've been fighting off other things - health issues, law issues, educational issues, social issues in general... the list goes on and on. [>>]
@jhol @elsacodelcoco So, for me, the first trick was to notice that it's generally invalid to extrapolate from me to other people when it comes from details even to simplest things, like them being able to see. So if I'm able/unable to do something, it's not obvious that the other party can do that in the same manner and at the same relative cost that I would/wouldn't. [>>]
@jhol @elsacodelcoco And once I've got that figured out, I was able to use my own curiosity and empathy to actually start figuring things out - if they showed me the finger, why's that? Did they just want to ruin my life? Were they too annoyed to do otherwise? Were they scared of talking with me for some reason and turned it into aggression? The list of questions goes on. [>>]
@jhol And also that's when I started kind-of using my eyes to try and read between, around, and behind the lines to figure out what a single act can mean when it is put in the whole context, not completely removed from it. That's exactly why I asked @elsacodelcoco to provide the full context for the post - I want to figure out exactly what happened there, what the discussion was about, and possibly what the person in question wanted to post about themselves on the Internet. [>>]
Could this charity not also apply to Gab users?
I'm a big fan of Dave Cullen @DaveCullen - he's a very middle of the road conservative. What's wrong with that?
People keep saying Gab = Nazis and Gab = Fascists, but that's just not true beyond stereotypes.
There may be "literal fascists" there. I never saw any. I'm not looking for them.
Since Gab is a corporate instance and access is offered for free, then I am the product, even if I'm just a number in their user count; it means that if I join Gab, I help Gab in its goals, also in the one that I stated above. I do not want to do this, and I consider other people who stay there complicit or supportive of that behaviour. If they were not okay with what Gab does, they would not stay there.
If F-droid starts trying police these things through making political distinctions between apps, there's no way they can enforce it consistently with political neutrality.
If the big silicon valley tech giants can't do it, there's no way f-droid can.
@phoe @jhol @fdroidorg sure. Here's the question someone asked: "if a black woman insults me on Mastodon only for supposedly belonging to the hypothetical oppressive group of white men, will that be pursued?" https://mobile.twitter.com/frnjrrz/status/1129068183292403718
@phoe @jhol @fdroidorg and here's the answer from an instance administrator: "Not in my server lmao". https://mobile.twitter.com/Malevolent_USB/status/1129174745411477505
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