Let's say that you are a big organization and you are going to name your new cool cross platform UI framework.
The chosen name conflicts with another open source framework for the same purpose.
1. You did not perform a web search before naming
2. You did, you found it, and said "who cares?"
@fribbledom I On top of that, I may jump to conclusions too early, but: reading the comments so far, I find the kde-maui pro comments as very mature and bearing valid arguments, in contrast with the poor quality of many of the ms pro comments.
@dimitrisk @fribbledom I mean, one would think that they learned from the gvfs disaster a few months ago, but doesn't seem like that's the case…
@sheogorath Probably, if you are too big you can't "learn your lesson"; you can only give lessons...
@dimitrisk @fribbledom To be fair the constructive comments they have marked as off-topic were responses to Dan Siegel.
The most offputting thing to me about it was the response from MS that "This has been through legal review". My dude, this is not about legalities.
@kameleonidas @dimitrisk @fribbledom And lol https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/013410601 BlueSystem own the trademark on Maui
@carl @dimitrisk @fribbledom Registered today? 🤔
@carl @dimitrisk @fribbledom Ahh wait no, I think I'm misreading. It's showing the "now" date marker where in the timeline we are... Which is during the period of time when the trademark is registered.
@dimitrisk They should simple rename it to MIAUIAIM, problem solved! xD
@dimitrisk It's because if you work in MS, you have to use Bing.
@dimitrisk And there we are, 12 years after another (admittedly very niche) UI kit called Maui (https://news.squeak.org/2008/12/24/building-user-interfaces-in-squeak/ https://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3836)
@dimitrisk I could just about forgive ignoring the linux distro, but turning a blind eye to another framework that does the same thing is obnoxious.
Their response so far has been
"the official legal name is .NET Multi-platform App UI and MAUI is an acronym, code name. This has been through legal review."
It is being called MAUI everywhere.
Also 'it got through legal' appears to be a way to bend reality at Microsoft.
(also note in my image the relevant google doodle...)
@ben They just presented it to probably millions of devs online at Build as MAUI around 20:30 GMT yesterday
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And here's the link top the extended version of the presentation in which they did it: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2020/BOD106
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Yeah, that's just bullshit. They're advertising it under the trademark of a competing project. It doesn't matter at all what it's "legal name" is, they're still clearly infringing on that trademark.
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Certainly not the way to handle this, if you're trying to be a good citizen in the open-source community, but also not exactly surprising.
Thing is, the Maui devs shouldn't need community support. They own the trademark. They can sue Microsoft to hell and back with that.
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Good luck to them...
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@dimitrisk censorship seems to be very common on Microsoft's GitHub projects.
@dimitrisk 3: Namespace it and brand it as "MS Maui"
@dimitrisk See also: kik (the one that started the leftpad fiasco)
@dimitrisk they did this with gvfs as well, which is starting to make me just a little bit suspicious
Well, now it's getting interesting:
https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/013410601
MAUI is a registered trademark of Blue Systems (which employs a bunch of KDE developers) in the EU.
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Micro$haft strikes again
@dimitrisk I love those "steps to reproduce".
@dimitrisk Pretty sure when Google did this with Go, they picked
3) We have more money and lawyers that that guy
@dimitrisk Embrace, Extend, Extinguish at its finest?
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Obviously this escalated (too) quickly in the comments, but I find Microsoft's handling of the issue to be particularly appalling 🙄
Flagging even constructive criticism & discussions as off-topic/spam is not cool.