I know why, I’m just complaining about everyone being unreasonable.
For some things is needed sure.
@gudenau 
@gudenau like, is that 99% that gets downloaded? That gets ran? That gets written? What does “needed” mean? These are all interesting questions, but “99% of JS isn’t needed” shuts down those conversations, IMO.
@ashfurrow It was an exaggeration. A lot of it is for tracking, weird page animations, advertising, overriding browser behaviors, DOM stuff that really should be done by the server.
Maybe not 99%, but darn is a lot of it not needed because of server side languages, CSS and HTML.
@gudenau advertising sucks, ad tracking sucks, totally agreed. Those things are incidental to JS, and are enabled by any kind of client-side scripting. At the same time, client-side scripting also opens up a lot of other, more productive possibilities. I think anti-JS advocates discount the value of those possibilities, to create new user experiences, new art, new forms of storytelling, etc.
@ashfurrow I never said it didn't have a place, Mastodon is an example where it's needed. It's just the fact that there's so much where it shouldn't be wasting so many resources in clients. You can make a good looking and functional website without any of it.
@gudenau no on is disputing that sites *can* be made without JS. the question is: how much is too much? and the answer I hear a lot from folks on Mastodon is “any JS is too much”, which I disagree with.
@gudenau I have to disagree – there is overlap in what HTML/CSS and JS can handle, which makes which one to use a matter of trade offs rather than a correct/incorrect choice. For example, I think that CSS animations work best when used in combination with JS DOM manipulations (adding classes, etc).
@ashfurrow The early 90s _was_ pre surveillance capitalism, so it had that going for it.
@rochelimit aye, but I don’t see one as causing the other. They are co-incidental to one another, like how I am to the rise and fall of 90’s Newfoundland darlings Great Big Sea.
Surveillance capitalism sucks big time.
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