good morning

good morning

good morning [cw cat tongue]

good morning, I just love Monday mornings because I get to catch up on all my emailsssssss

morning [cw ec]

Morning!

good morning to #eggboy [cw ec]

good morning

good morning [cw drugs]

@ashfurrow Fun! Solid body electric?

@emartin that’s right – I basically only do acoustic lately because my epiphone les paul weighs a million pounds and hurts my neck/shoulder. I got an ibanez s621 instead :)

@ashfurrow Nice! My main one is an ibanez AS53 semi-hollow.

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Morning! This is Shorts.

@Greyman what a cutie!

@ashfurrow sleepy boi

@eletious constantly yup :)

@ashfurrow What are you doing Dave...?

@ashfurrow wow, where does this image come from!?

@jasondclinton I don't know where any of my images come from, sorry. I did a reverse image search and it's apparently a meme?

@ashfurrow Good morning!

@ashfurrow Depends on. The left one is open source – the right one proprietary.

@IzzyOnDroid @ashfurrow
Look to your left

@ashfurrow obviously the second one - otherwise it would need multiple pairs of trousers 😂

@ashfurrow I hate Monday mornings for exactly that same reason.

@ashfurrow

ugh, we really need to get away from using master in this context :/

@maloki @ashfurrow how about we just all agree to use upstream?

It's often the more accurate term, and it doesn't have any unfortunate history.

@RandomDamage @maloki "upstream" is good, but is already used for another concept. Naming things is hard! We'll get there, though.

@ashfurrow @maloki there's a little overlap, but I think it isn't too bad.

@RandomDamage @maloki _I_ agree, but when trying to change the name of something that already exists, little things like this will get used to argue against the change. Programmers gonna programmer.

@ashfurrow @maloki true.

All the more reason to just do the thing and let others follow or not ;)

But I chose that one specifically because it's already in use and close to the right meaning.

Beats the pants off what's been done to hacker.

@RandomDamage Exactly this, I'm not here for having the arguments, I'm here to create change. We'll probably decide on something and then stick to it. Those who want to follow can, those who don't don't have to. @ashfurrow

@maloki @RandomDamage I'm not playing devil's advocate – I like this change, too. I'm only saying that it's important to think about how we might get more people to follow us, how to persuade them.

People will tend to adhere to the status quo, and I think that considering how to win them over is an important part of creating change.

@ashfurrow @maloki @RandomDamage Is "main" an option? "upstream" to me sounds like a remote.

@uliwitness @ashfurrow @maloki upstream is used in distribution communities to refer to the original source of packages.

Main or trunk works for a primary repository fork.

@uliwitness @ashfurrow @maloki @RandomDamage agreed, "main" works as a drop in replacement for "master".

If you're using release branching techniques you should be using stuff like "rel" anyways.
And if the repo is a site, "prod" and "staging" are often good default branch names.

@ashfurrow @RandomDamage let's just get a few chosen white men to say it, without them arguing about it with others (and ignore those who do) and I think we'll be fine.

@maloki Yes, but it's tricky. Obviously "master/slave" is not appropriate, but in this context, "master" is used like "master key" (not that anyone's feelings/response to the term are invalid). The drive to move away from "master" branches is probably going to face more pushback than "master/slave", despite being the right decision, long-term.

It would take someone like GitHub changing this for it to take hold. Fingers crossed.

@ashfurrow @maloki Well, Yoda is a master ;)

But, aside from personal feelings about the terminology, for me "master" is not the best name for the default branch because it is usually used as "current" (or "development", or, yes, "trunk"). In the company I work for we have it renamed to "devel" in most our repos BTW.

@maloki @ashfurrow I'm totally on-board with “mainline” as a replacement for “master”. Even has the same autocomplete prefix.

Toot toot!

@maloki @ashfurrow why, when there is no 'slave' in this context?

@mvz Because connotations. @ashfurrow

@maloki @ashfurrow That is not very helpful, I'm afraid.

@mvz @ashfurrow you do you. I don't have energy to discuss the validity of trying to get away from that and other terms in tech work I do.

You can do whatever you want in work you do.

@maloki @ashfurrow I wasn't looking for a discussion, just for an explanation, since this issue was new to me, but OK.

@mvz @maloki it is because, I believe, “master” has connotations of slavery even without “slave” being explicitly included. let me know what I can clarify – language is tricky!

@ashfurrow Thank you for putting words to it which my mind didn't have energy to articulate <3

@mvz

@maloki @mvz these are complicated, nuanced ideas, so it makes sense that putting them to text is difficult ❤️

@ashfurrow @maloki "master" has many different meanings. Would this reasoning mean not using, e.g., 'master of science', 'master singer', 'master class', etc.? Or just meanings that refer to telling other people what to do?

@mvz @maloki The point here is that "master" always has the connotation of slavery for people who are *still* oppressed by society. Try putting yourself in their shoes; not using the term is a way to working in tech easier.

Let me put it to you this way: if we *didn't* already use the term "master", would there be a good reason to start? Probably not.

@ashfurrow @mvz @maloki

"prime" might be a good candidate if Amazon hadn't already made it their brand name and therefore no longer legal to use in any other context

@ashfurrow @maloki Thanks for your insightful explanation. As a non-native English speaker and non-American this stuff is not very intuitive.

@mvz @maloki I understand. I'm Canadian so I'm sometimes in a similar position. Thanks for approaching this with an open mind!

@ashfurrow to be honest, I don't know which I'd be more upset about: the repo, or the pasta.

@aru @ashfurrow depends on how good the pasta was.

@ashfurrow I would frame that one.

@ashfurrow good current time of day! this is an Goode Thread

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