@ashfurrow regatding the new rule: "no unsolicited advice from strangers". What does that even mean? I cant advice an application to someone publicly?
@Wraptile it’s basically a “do onto others as you would have them do onto you” but extended to a specific scenario (which tech people sometimes get wrong). Most users are already adhering to this rule, we are just trying to judge everyone to be kinder to strangers.
Bob: "Ugh I hate Windows my printer never works"
Alice (who does not know Bob at all): "That sucks!"
Erin (who is mutuals with Bob): "Oh no! Have you tried these drivers?"
Todd (who does not know Bob at all): "Oh no! Have you tried using Linux?"
@bclindner I feel this answers your question, @Wraptile. It is a bit extreme, but that's because the problem of unsolicited advice from tech dudes has become so systemic and constant that extreme measures are needed to get things back on track.
Honestly though, I wouldn't worry about it. Either you don't do it, so don't need to worry, or you do do it, and now you know to stop, so don't need to worry :)
@xmakina @bclindner I see, well personally I love when people discuss software like this. Some of the coolest apps I found through "unsolicited advices" and love to give such advices myself as there is so much brilliant software that is relatively unknown. Just today someone complained on local stream about curl and I recommended them to check out httpie because it solves a lot of issues curl suffers from - is that breaking the rule?
@xmakina sure but these vague micro management rules discourage public discussion. Now I feel like I shouldn't propose anything in case someone gets offended and bans me without warning or whatever 🤷♂️
Sorry don't want to appear annoying just sharing my 2 cents about potential side effects of such management. If some people are unable to handle someone suggesting them software then imho insufficient administration is the least of their mental worries. Maybe at this point it would be wise to step back from s
@Wraptile or, and hear me out here, people who cannot deal with unsolicited advice from tech bros when they just want to vent to their friends still deserve social media and if they feel like they're being harassed they should know it's safe to report that harrassment, rather than being judged and told to leave?
@Wraptile you're basically arguing that folks with any issues around unsolicited advice; be that a history of it coming from a place of racism, fatphobia, transphobia or anything else; do not deserve to be on social media and should leave. which is --literally-- what this change in the CoC is about addressing; unsolicited advice being used as a harrasment tactic
@xmakina if you want to vent to your friend put on a "friend's only" checkmark? I'd argue that polluting public space is pointless rage screams warrants a ban more than an unsolicited software recommendation 🤷♂️
@xmakina personally I'm triggered by people swearing and raging about software in public spaces. The same way we don't tolerate raging maniacs in town square the same way I find people raging in public space triggering.
@Wraptile sounds awful and I'm sorry that's a trigger for you. I hope you feel safe reporting this behaviour to other instances, and if not that's possibly a wider discussion to be had on the meta (although I'd request starting a new thread about it rather than adding something quite important and different to an already long thread)
@Wraptile fundamentally this is a CoC change that has come from a large group of people reporting a constant source of harrasment that goes under the radar for a lot of folks. As Ash says elsewhere, lead with compassion, and that's what this is trying to do :)
@xmakina nah I like being triggered - I'm a firm believer than negative interactions and experiences are must for healthy and grounded life experience but that's besides the point what I imply more thought that I'm adult enough to manage myself and my social experiences and so is majority of people. I think power creep for report button will result in more and more unhealthy community and actually harm the people it aims to protect. You have to let kids play in the mud sometimes.
@Wraptile I dare say we're using staggeringly different uses for the word "trigger" which is unfortunate but these things happen. Take care of yourself, I'm stepping away from this conversation with you now.
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