Back when the GNU project was starting, among the first things they rewrote as Free Software were:
- text editor / IDE (Emacs)
- assembler, linker, and compiler
IOW, they made tools that they needed to further develop Free Software without relying on proprietary tools.
They wanted their project to be self-hosting.
Nowadays, we have more free software than ever, but we develop it using github and Discord...
@Wolf480pl this is issue with people. People tend to stich with a single solution which everybody uses. There are lots of quailty source "forges" (i.e. Gitlab, Gitea, SourceHut), but people stick with GitHub for a reason that "everybody uses GitHub".
At the moment, when everybody will use open and free forge. Especially when the #ForgeFed will be adopted.
But it is harder instant messagging systems. Every one of them has one issue that makes it harder to use.
IRC - lack of history *on server*. I don't see reason to chat if the history is not saved even for several minutes.
XMPP - it's high entrance point. Too much clients and servers supporting different featuresets.
Matrix - it's pretty young and suffers from it.
RocketChat - AFAIK it was buggy as hell, when last time I was using.
Gitter is very tight coupled with non-free software
Either way, it's clear that these days we need something better than that.
My problem is that instead of being like "IRC is no longer sufficient for our project, let's make something better", many FOSS projects are like "IRC is no longer sufficient for our project, let's use some proprietary chat app instead".
Which is the opposite of what GNU was doing back then.
Where I live, there's an expectation that "everyone is on facebook", and when you're that one guy who is not on facebook, you're basically a second-class citizen.
Please don't teach your friends to expect that everyone uses the same communication medium.
@jack @alexcleac @SuperFloppies @Wolf480pl Not following the "Pandora's box" or hackability thing. Raw email bad, sure, but email lists you have to register for, digests, filters? You get archiving, threading, pretty quick turnaround (a little slow is actually good, imo). Seems like, by the time open, federated chat has finally been perfected, we'll be looking at email.
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