Anyone got any ideas for how to get Linux adopted, that aren't just victim-blaming Windows users?

@octet33 People are generally hesitant to try new unknowns, especially if they don't have a strong feeling about future benefits. I think we'd have to make Linux "the default" in some places, so people are made to naturally use it and can realise themselves that it's not magical or for-programmers-only.

As someone else said, schools could be a good place to start.

@JenLA
I have raised dozens of kids on linux since the late 90's. They all insisted on taking it to college with them too.
Typical office staff will NOT even notice that the firefox, libre/open/office and thunderbird are now running under linux vs windows.
Just waltz them along.
They suffered far more jarring changes with MS versions and 'the ribbon' bs.
I've done this over and over again in many offices of smb.
Maybe you retain 1-2 ms boxes for some govt or corp bs, but that's it.
@octet33

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@gemlog @octet33 Yea, exactly. The difficulty isn't with getting people to use it, is it with getting them to *start* using it. Therefore it's important to ensure linux OSs just exist on computers people naturally use, like those in schools.

It would also help greatly if major retailers offered laptops without Windows installed next to thr current offerings, to show customers exactly how much windows costs (though maybe bloatware deals offset the windows license on mainline laptops?)

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@JenLA @gemlog @octet33

I'm not exactly sure how they get round tax or other regulatory regimes, but Redmond seem to subsidise /heavily discount Windows licences for OEM equipment, to the point a small family business in China can sell a whole miniature computer *with* Windows licence for less than 200€ across Europe (to be fair they do try and help those who install Linux on it via their forum).

I *very* rarely see new hardware sold with no OS these days... >>

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@JenLA @gemlog @octet33

there is a young lass in Essex, England, who was selling refurb Thinkpads with Linux (tested to ensure they work out of the box and there are no issues with hardware whitelists in firmware etc) but she has had to scale down her business due to being overwhelmed with orders and encountering both supply chain and personal health problems (it seems the profit margin on these isn't enough for her to hire others to help which is a big shame)

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@JenLA @gemlog @octet33

OTOH there is a possible worldwide opportunity to refurb former Windows 7 (and even XP) machines that are still functional can't easily be upgraded to Win10 to run Linux - a lad a the community radio station is doing exactly that at this very moment, I will hopefully be helping him once it is safe for me to visit the region where the hardware is at (I work in healthcare so have to take anti-Covid19 precautions at this time)

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@vfrmedia @gemlog @octet33 That's a great initiative, there should be huge possibilities in that area. Sadly it's probably difficult to turn it into an especially profitable business (variability of supply, high expertise personell required, unconventional logistics) meaning it'll likely remain relatively small scale, like the Essex woman you mentioned.

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@vfrmedia @gemlog @octet33 Still, I hope anyone in a position to influence sourcing of computers for public use remembers to check for such suppliers. This would perfectly match the value bases of ex libraries, state-run universities or public service media.

(This is also a note to a potential future me)

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@JenLA @gemlog @octet33 there are already lots of refurb equipment suppliers here in Northern Europe, but unfortunately Redmond has heavily embedded itself into the ecosystem by offering discounted Windows licences (they even say "Windows for Refurbished PCs" on them)

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@JenLA
I was recently gifted with two "slow" win7 boxen. These are now two very happy KDE Neon boxes :-)
It's just that pre-2004 is too long ago to satisfy nearly any current pc user.
Anything that old is only good as a server or controller of something.
@vfrmedia @octet33

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